“You don’t need to get out in the street with a mask and a baseball bat. For a lot of people, that’s scary,” Vysotsky says. Anarchists and Antifa, however, use violence as “strategic self-defense,” he says. “They tactically see nonviolent responses to [the alt-right] as giving the supremacists what they want—subjects for their violence—so they fight back as a means of demonstrating that they will not be intimidated.… The role of anti-fascists is to stop the event, but there are other folks who want to do something in a safe way. To work together on that would really be a way forward.”